when it happens to you

Discussion in Technical Forum started by Lisa Masters, Mar 3, 2017
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Lisa Masters
Well more than 15 years of work and only two people left to have a complete genealogy of a family line. Hundreds of phone calls, handful of bought certificates, hundred of dollars in snail mail mailings, hundreds of one on one emails, subscriptions, hours and hours of typing and recording, etc. And boom the last person you talk to and share with decides that your work is public information and thinks it should go out of a private website to the public!

How are you suppose to feel. Yes publishing seem to be around the corner, but is it still worth it now. A over 50 age person, why would I think that I would have to worry about them knowing right from wrong? So they left me and the rest of these family members with out a family website, cause I will have to delete it.

I have read about this here with other people dealing with the same thing. It is sad that people don't ask how one would feel be taking all.

Sick Stomach!

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Alan Scott
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Not everyone wants their private information made available to other persons. Privacy of living people should be respected. In fact in some countries it is a legal requirement. However I cannot see a problem publishing a tree in Tribalpages or other family history sites using privacy settings that keep living people hidden for all but approved family members and guests.

If someone in my tree objected to their name being available to family members and guests, while being kept confidential to everyone else, I would delete them from the site. I would publish the tree without including details of that person, spouse and their children.

If it was my father who objected it would be an interesting situation. I would have to think hard about that. However he is long gone so not a worry.

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Lisa Masters
Not everyone wants their private information made available to other persons. Privacy of living people should be respected. In fact in some countries it is a legal requirement. However I cannot see a more ...
problem publishing a tree in Tribalpages or other family history sites using privacy settings that keep living people hidden for all but approved family members and guests. If someone in my tree objected to their name being available to family members and guests, while being kept confidential to everyone else, I would delete them from the site. I would publish the tree without including details of that person, spouse and their children. If it was my father who objected it would be an interesting situation. I would have to think hard about that. However he is long gone so not a worry
The event wasn't about privacy, it was that I and another first cousin builded a complete genealogy and this other person with only their own family notes decided that they should type all our genealogy onto another public website as if they had done the work. I am saying that this work could be book publish now because we completed it.

Do you know what I mean?

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Alan Scott
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The event wasn't about privacy, it was that I and another first cousin builded a complete genealogy and this other person with only their own family notes decided that they should type all our more ...
genealogy onto another public website as if they had done the work. I am saying that this work could be book publish now because we completed it. Do you know what I mean
Happens a lot. At least you have the satisfaction of knowing it was your work. Not that that's any consolation.

Hopefully it will be published accurately. I spent several years having my name and details removed from public trees and corrected in private sites when a person, who had set himself up as an experienced genealogist, included me in his tree as deceased, born 10 years before my time and married to a woman with a different name to that of my wife. This was copied into numerous other sites.

I actually encourage people to copy from my site if they wish. No guarantee that it is 100% correct. They should do their own research as well.

Have a look at the link as below. It is to another Tribalpages tree. I don't think the owner will mind me advertising her excellent site. Read the last paragraph of the introduction and the banner. I agree that that statement.
Related Link:Click Here

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Michael Loney
Happens a lot. At least you have the satisfaction of knowing it was your work. Not that that's any consolation. Hopefully it will be published accurately. I spent several years having my name and more ...
details removed from public trees and corrected in private sites when a person, who had set himself up as an experienced genealogist, included me in his tree as deceased, born 10 years before my time and married to a woman with a different name to that of my wife. This was copied into numerous other sites. I actually encourage people to copy from my site if they wish. No guarantee that it is 100% correct. They should do their own research as well. Have a look at the link as below. It is to another Tribalpages tree. I don't think the owner will mind me advertising her excellent site. Read the last paragraph of the introduction and the banner. I agree that that statement
Lisa,

There is a phrase that springs to mind - Do not worry over things you have no control over, therein lies the path to an early grave!

Like Alan, I too put my research out there for others to see and make use of. It costs me nothing extra to do this, and I have the satisfaction of having a backup, away from my PC. All money and time I spent researching, is time and money I would have spent anyway.

My site's introduction makes this clear, with the added warning I may have made errors, so check accuracy before copying.

I looked at the link Alan posted, and will amend my introduction to include something similar on my site.

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Lisa Masters
Lisa, There is a phrase that springs to mind - Do not worry over things you have no control over, therein lies the path to an early grave! Like Alan, I too put my research out there for others to see more ...
and make use of. It costs me nothing extra to do this, and I have the satisfaction of having a backup, away from my PC. All money and time I spent researching, is time and money I would have spent anyway. My site's introduction makes this clear, with the added warning I may have made errors, so check accuracy before copying. I looked at the link Alan posted, and will amend my introduction to include something similar on my site
Grave thing is so true, we are coming up on six years of owning a Gas Station and listening to 500 people a day makes you crazy, unbelievable thinking you hear everyday. It just kills me that I just renewed my subscription, only a few months away to final publishing and this happens. As it turns out it has been 22 years I started building this piece by piece, I never added anything without accuracy. So I'm pretty sure things are all good here. So anyways I am taking the advice to not post things I don't want taken. I am making sure to view all and dismissing the website and putting a hard copy in the hands of our descendants, with a copyright. Price to pay $35.00. Not bad.

I have been ask by everyone to not make this public, so it's my duty to make it as safe as I can. I would of not made it this far without trust to receive information from them.

I Love Tribal pages, by far it's the best.

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Alan Scott
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Grave thing is so true, we are coming up on six years of owning a Gas Station and listening to 500 people a day makes you crazy, unbelievable thinking you hear everyday. It just kills me that I just more ...
renewed my subscription, only a few months away to final publishing and this happens. As it turns out it has been 22 years I started building this piece by piece, I never added anything without accuracy. So I'm pretty sure things are all good here. So anyways I am taking the advice to not post things I don't want taken. I am making sure to view all and dismissing the website and putting a hard copy in the hands of our descendants, with a copyright. Price to pay $35.00. Not bad. I have been ask by everyone to not make this public, so it's my duty to make it as safe as I can. I would of not made it this far without trust to receive information from them. I Love Tribal pages, by far it's the best
Lisa,

I wish to apologise to Tribalpages Members for having taken the wrong meaning out of your original message. If I had realized exactly what your problem was about I would not have answered as it seems to have stirred you up even more.

My opinion is that this should have been a private matter between you and the person concerned and not aired in T/P forum. In saying that, you at least have had some good advice from Michael. Don't worry. There are more important things in life than having your family history copied.

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Nora Carver
Not everyone wants their private information made available to other persons. Privacy of living people should be respected. In fact in some countries it is a legal requirement. However I cannot see a more ...
problem publishing a tree in Tribalpages or other family history sites using privacy settings that keep living people hidden for all but approved family members and guests. If someone in my tree objected to their name being available to family members and guests, while being kept confidential to everyone else, I would delete them from the site. I would publish the tree without including details of that person, spouse and their children. If it was my father who objected it would be an interesting situation. I would have to think hard about that. However he is long gone so not a worry
i can agree, been working and paying for family information for as complete a "pedigree" as possible. had to remove all information from public forums and even put this website as private. i dont think info is "stolen" when its taken from a tree but it would be nice if it wasnt just copied and shared without permission and even without references, ive had people share links that i had on the tree here as a reference point without bothering to check if i had fully verified it now that info is ALL over the net and its WRONG. i also feel like if you arent willing to put the time, money and effort into the documentation, you shouldnt get all the work for free. im considering publishing several line documented works but what is the point if everyone is just going to put it all on line and pass it around? ive decided to reserve the serious work of a book with pics and documents and stories for family gifts for people in the family interested in JUST their direct lineage. i have over 9000 documented persons on my tree that ive painstakingly verified myself and a couple thousand more that are just names and leafs on the tree, its not like i get paid to do this. i dont mind sharing specific information but if you want the whole bloody thing, a think at least at little credit would be NICE. so sorry this happened to you. its so frustrating to have done so much work to have it unappreciated.
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Ian Marr
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I get really annoyed when people upload their information to the Internet and then complain about someone else having the temerity to use that same information.

If you are not prepared to share, i.e. you are very selfish, then don't publish it, or do so in such a way that it is not generally available.

Over the years I have been accused a couple of times of plagiarising someone else's work when, in fact, I haven't - I have simply done the same research as they obviously have. On another occasion I was accused of using photos that originated elsewhere. This I did do, but at every point I had provided detailed acknowledgement of the source.

I have two trees on the internet, both public and I invite even encourage others to download anything they find useful - it's amazing how often this leads to a great exchange where I also learn new things about my ancestors. I am not so self-centred that I refuse to share my work in order to ensure that others cannot enjoy the benefits of that work.

Regards,

Ian Marr

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Lisa Masters
I get really annoyed when people upload their information to the Internet and then complain about someone else having the temerity to use that same information. If you are not prepared to share, i.e. more ...
you are very selfish, then don't publish it, or do so in such a way that it is not generally available. Over the years I have been accused a couple of times of plagiarising someone else's work when, in fact, I haven't - I have simply done the same research as they obviously have. On another occasion I was accused of using photos that originated elsewhere. This I did do, but at every point I had provided detailed acknowledgement of the source. I have two trees on the internet, both public and I invite even encourage others to download anything they find useful - it's amazing how often this leads to a great exchange where I also learn new things about my ancestors. I am not so self-centred that I refuse to share my work in order to ensure that others cannot enjoy the benefits of that work. Regards, Ian Mar
When I start this family there was nothing. When my mother in law had me get awhole of her nephew for help he knew nothing. I feel attached to this project because I have spoken to everyone by phone and snail mail. So there is no one in this family who doesn't know me. Everyone I spoke to did not know who there cousin were. I build up this website to share all the work. I am far from selfish because like I said there was nothing. There is no one in this family that hasn't followed me from day one that would ever consider taking my work outside of this website.

Except the last person I talk to related here. To be a good researcher you have to folk out money lots of it, sit in front of microfilm reels hours after hours, and take away lots of hours from your marriage and home. I paid $60.00 to get information from someone else research, but I would not by any means take her work to the internet for free viewing.

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Nora Carver
When I start this family there was nothing. When my mother in law had me get awhole of her nephew for help he knew nothing. I feel attached to this project because I have spoken to everyone by phone more ...
and snail mail. So there is no one in this family who doesn't know me. Everyone I spoke to did not know who there cousin were. I build up this website to share all the work. I am far from selfish because like I said there was nothing. There is no one in this family that hasn't followed me from day one that would ever consider taking my work outside of this website. Except the last person I talk to related here. To be a good researcher you have to folk out money lots of it, sit in front of microfilm reels hours after hours, and take away lots of hours from your marriage and home. I paid $60.00 to get information from someone else research, but I would not by any means take her work to the internet for free viewing
same here, there was no information at all on my husbands family and what my mothers family had was scattered, confused and alot of it innacurate. its not a matter of being selfish, everyone uses info they have found elsewhere, its just the point that if it was put up in a specific way for only certain people to use or have access to, there is no reason one of those persons should feel its ok to simply copy and paste and claim all the work is theirs and free to share. a large section of the work i have done on both sides of the family is available for free to whomever comes across it, ive split alot of it up to different websites pertaining to those family lines. no one in the family was particularly interested in the details of the work and only became interested in the final results when they realized it was fully documented and usable for such things as DAR applications and other heritage organizations. it is also annoying to see total strangers using this information on other websites and claiming it as their own, knowing that no such thing existed online previous to having yourself put it on there. of course if the info is open to the public then its rather assumed that it is to be shared, however, if you are going to do this, use sources, cite where you got the info from and dont just assume its all accurate. it the author is living, it would be nice if you tried to contact them and get consent before sharing everything they have worked so hard on. i use a lot of public source information, but i also at least attempt to verify the other persons sources and give credit to whomever gave me the info or made it available. its a matter of accuracy in research and allowing other researchers to be able to duplicate your own results or disprove them as the case may be. in this case, i think your cousin should have been way more considerate of your feelings and the project as a whole since it involved the whole living family.