IMPORTANT - MAP ERROR is offensive

Discussion in Technical Forum started by Linda May Rumble, Feb 9, 2018
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Linda May Rumble
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Dear TP Support,

You sent me an email with a query that one of my irate relatives sent to YOU...

Jocelyn Calvert is very offended, as an indigenous Niue Pacific Islander, that you have put her Village - TAMAKAUTOGA VILLAGE,NIUE ISLAND,UK .....in UK!!!

She writes...

Jocelyn Calvert said ..

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Under the sub heading maps for Jocelyn Calvert, the village of Tamakautoga ,Niue Island is indicated as being near the UK, it is in fact situated in the Sth Pacific. Could you please correct that error. I visit that village fairly regularly and it isn't healthy for them to be subjected to that sort of idiotic error. They are a simple people, usually God fearing, not wealthy and they struggle to develop as an island due to their economic situation, we don't need to be subjected to silliness from your end of the woods, it does affect us down here!!

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Message forwarded by TribalPages Support

.. on behalf of jocelyncalvert@gmail.com
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Alan Scott
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Hi Linda,

That's embarrassing for Tribalpages and they should correct this immediately. Niue Island, a fantastic spot in the South Pacific. See 'Related link" as below.
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Linda May Rumble
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Hi Linda, That's embarrassing for Tribalpages and they should correct this immediately. Niue Island, a fantastic spot in the South Pacific. See 'Related link" as below.
Thanks for that link Alan.

I too hope that the Map Reference is corrected quickly.

Here is a little more information about Niue Island from my relatives whose mother & maternal ancestors were born there...

The name 'Niue' translates as 'Behold! The coconut!'

This rocky island is situated about 3 hours from New Zealand by plane.

Unlike its neighbours, Niue Island avoided adapting the traditional Polynesian power hierarchy of priests and chiefs, instead Niueans relied on family or clan based units united under a democratically elected monarch. This made Niueans very independent, both of each other and from their neighbours, and they remain so today.

This country is a stable parliamentary democracy and has 20 sitting Member's of Parliament, presided over by a Premier.

The rocky limestone geology of the island also dictated that Niueans adapt new forms of domestic behaviour, and until the arrival of Christian missionaries in the mid 1800's, Niuean domestic life was conducted within the many caves that interlace the island.

In 1900, the now Christian Kingdom feared being over-run and colonised by American or French forces, so allied with the British instead and ceded power to the English throne.

In 1901 Britain annexed Niue to New Zealand, and in 1974 New Zealand returned sovereignty back to Niue.

The island is now one of the worlds smallest self-governing states, and rules in free association with New Zealand. Most Niueans now live in New Zealand - about 20,000 are Niuean born or of direct Niuean descent, while the island of Niue itself has only about 1500 people living there.

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Ian Marr
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Given that it is clearly an accidental error, your friend, if she really is offended, and abusive towards someone who makes such a simple mistake (could just be a typo for all we know) needs to get a life. I am offended by the likes of her, and you for making such a public issue out of it.

Regards,

Ian Marr

(from Australia, which often gets confused with Austria, but I don't mind)

LR
Linda May Rumble
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Given that it is clearly an accidental error, your friend, if she really is offended, and abusive towards someone who makes such a simple mistake (could just be a typo for all we know) needs to get a more ...
life. I am offended by the likes of her, and you for making such a public issue out of it. Regards, Ian Marr (from Australia, which often gets confused with Austria, but I don't mind
So Ian Marr...

Are you happy to just let errors go on Tribal Pages... if I remember rightly you have added messages to the TP Team on this Technical Message Board eg. asking for corrections Re: 'Notes Being Truncated' and you have also complained many times about delays and missing messages.

To your credit you also give many very useful words of advice to Members who are waiting for a reply.

What happened here was that Tribal Pages forwarded that strong complaint to me, when there clearly is nothing I can possibly do about it... other than return the complaint to them on here, hoping that it will be read and responded to.

By the way, that strong complaint was raised not by my friend, but by my second cousin who I have never met, but I found her family after researching the descendants of my extended family's ancestors. This is only the second time she has been on the website (to my knowledge) and although her complaint was harsh, surely the fact that Maps are generating wrong information and putting Pacific Islands in UK, needs correction if possible - or an official apology to her from the TP Team.

Apart from this error -

[B] TAMAKAUTOGA VILLAGE,NIUE ISLAND,UK

... the Map Information has also put Jocelyn's mother, as being in the UK,... SEE ATTACHED LINK

[B} - Fenika F. Heti Calvert -mother (1931 - 2016)

...when Fenika was born & died on Nuie Island and has never set foot in the UK at any time.

I cannot understand why you felt you had to intervene Ian, when you cannot possibly have a solution to the problem either. As you would say...Why bother?

Kind regards from Linda

PS. I wish I had your ability to add an image here of this Map and its information (but I can't)... because I'm unsure if you can see the image & the problem, as my site is private.
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Ian Marr
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So Ian Marr... Are you happy to just let errors go on Tribal Pages... if I remember rightly you have added messages to the TP Team on this Technical Message Board eg. asking for corrections Re: 'Notes more ...
Being Truncated' and you have also complained many times about delays and missing messages. To your credit you also give many very useful words of advice to Members who are waiting for a reply. What happened here was that Tribal Pages forwarded that strong complaint to me, when there clearly is nothing I can possibly do about it... other than return the complaint to them on here, hoping that it will be read and responded to. By the way, that strong complaint was raised not by my friend, but by my second cousin who I have never met, but I found her family after researching the descendants of my extended family's ancestors. This is only the second time she has been on the website (to my knowledge) and although her complaint was harsh, surely the fact that Maps are generating wrong information and putting Pacific Islands in UK, needs correction if possible - or an official apology to her from the TP Team. Apart from this error - [B] TAMAKAUTOGA VILLAGE,NIUE ISLAND,UK ... the Map Information has also put Jocelyn's mother, as being in the UK,... SEE ATTACHED LINK [B} - Fenika F. Heti Calvert -mother (1931 - 2016) ...when Fenika was born & died on Nuie Island and has never set foot in the UK at any time. I cannot understand why you felt you had to intervene Ian, when you cannot possibly have a solution to the problem either. As you would say...Why bother? Kind regards from Linda PS. I wish I had your ability to add an image here of this Map and its information (but I can't)... because I'm unsure if you can see the image & the problem, as my site is private
Windows has a snipping tool. If you locate that you are well on the way to being able to create page images for inclusion, here or anywhere else.

Most of what you have said is totally irrelevant. A"simple" mistake has been made and certainly we all have a right to seek a correction. But to say it is offensive or that "an official apology is due" is just plainly ridiculous and a gross over-reaction. Who originally found the error, the fact that they are related to you, whether you have met or not, how many times someone has visited the site, who cares? I "intervened" because I am sick and tired of people thrusting their unreasonable expectations in the faces of other people.

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Linda May Rumble
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Windows has a snipping tool. If you locate that you are well on the way to being able to create page images for inclusion, here or anywhere else. Most of what you have said is totally irrelevant. more ...
A"simple" mistake has been made and certainly we all have a right to seek a correction. But to say it is offensive or that "an official apology is due" is just plainly ridiculous and a gross over-reaction. Who originally found the error, the fact that they are related to you, whether you have met or not, how many times someone has visited the site, who cares? I "intervened" because I am sick and tired of people thrusting their unreasonable expectations in the faces of other people
Ian - You are over-reacting!

A suggestion such as adding a Geo Locator would have been a more useful suggestion.

For example, Legacy works on a Geo Locator Database that divides three million current locations into six regions:

PA - Pacific Islands

US - United States

AF - Africa

AM - Americas (non-USA)

AS - Asia

EU - Europe

Each location includes the name of the city, the county or province, the state, if any, and the country name.

Along with this information the latitude and longitude coordinates are also included. Searching can be done by any field(s). A Radius search is included to find cities within a specified radius (in miles or kilometers) of a location.

So I thought that Tribal Pages Maps may work on a similar system... so I added PA after NIUE ISLAND on the Birth & Death locations of Fenika F. Heti Calvert & both her parents...

What happened is that [B] disappeared off the Map and the Description changed as follows:

[B] NIUE ISLAND,PUERTO RICO (not found)

Fenika F. Heti Calvert

-mother (1931 - 2016)

Heti Heti

-father

Vailama Vailama

-mother

Plus there is a useful note at the bottom now...

The map shows the birth places (or death place, if birth place is not available).

Note: Only valid locations displayed in the map.

So I will continue trying along these lines... unless anyone has better suggestions?
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Alan Scott
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Given that it is clearly an accidental error, your friend, if she really is offended, and abusive towards someone who makes such a simple mistake (could just be a typo for all we know) needs to get a more ...
life. I am offended by the likes of her, and you for making such a public issue out of it. Regards, Ian Marr (from Australia, which often gets confused with Austria, but I don't mind
New Zealand sometimes is thought to be part of Australia and I don't like that.
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Ian Marr
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New Zealand sometimes is thought to be part of Australia and I don't like that.
Usn't it? Well there you go, I'll be buttered on both sides
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Linda May Rumble
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Dear Tribal Pages Team,

I have been trying to use various area names after Niue Island to get the Map Location to work... to no avail...

I have tried:

Niue Island

the Geo Locator - PA

Oceana

Pacific Ocean

South Pacific

Pacific Region

If you map system is based on Google Maps, I wonder if & how we could use plus codes?

In this case for Tamakautoga, Niue Island = 52GGW32J+

https://plus.codes/52GGW32J+

I tried Tamakautoga Village, Niue Island, Cook Islands - & have now settled with that because it is not known for the Map, it does not assume UK and it generates this...

[A] NIUE ISLAND,COOK ISLANDS (not found)

Fenika F. Heti Calvert

-(1931 - 2016)

Heti Heti

-father

Vailama Vailama

-mother
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Ian Marr
Dear Tribal Pages Team, I have been trying to use various area names after Niue Island to get the Map Location to work... to no avail... I have tried: Niue Island the Geo Locator - PA Oceana Pacific more ...
Ocean South Pacific Pacific Region If you map system is based on Google Maps, I wonder if & how we could use plus codes? In this case for Tamakautoga, Niue Island = 52GGW32J+ https://plus.codes/52GGW32J+ I tried Tamakautoga Village, Niue Island, Cook Islands - & have now settled with that because it is not known for the Map, it does not assume UK and it generates this... [A] NIUE ISLAND,COOK ISLANDS (not found) Fenika F. Heti Calvert -(1931 - 2016) Heti Heti -father Vailama Vailama -mothe
Not sure if this helps and it won't necessarily change the TP map reference, but Google maps shows not only Niue but also Tamakautoga. You can zoom tight in and see the village area close-up. You've probably already found this.

If you zoom in and click on one of the houses between the road and the shoreline, you will get Tamakautoga plus the lat & lon co-ordinates. You may be able to use that.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Tamakautoga,+Niue/@-19.0597851,-169.9342919,27748m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x719d375a2906f21b:0x4ba80ca5e43e706a!2sNiue!3b1!8m2!3d-19.0737811!4d-169.8520818!3m4!1s0x719d2ffff1c9df9d:0xf4710c6f660981fa!8m2!3d-19.0994308!4d-169.9178982

Regards,

Ian Marr

LR
Linda May Rumble
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Not sure if this helps and it won't necessarily change the TP map reference, but Google maps shows not only Niue but also Tamakautoga. You can zoom tight in and see the village area close-up. more ...
You've probably already found this. If you zoom in and click on one of the houses between the road and the shoreline, you will get Tamakautoga plus the lat & lon co-ordinates. You may be able to use that. https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Tamakautoga,+Niue/@-19.0597851,-169.9342919,27748m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x719d375a2906f21b:0x4ba80ca5e43e706a!2sNiue!3b1!8m2!3d-19.0737811!4d-169.8520818!3m4!1s0x719d2ffff1c9df9d:0xf4710c6f660981fa!8m2!3d-19.0994308!4d-169.9178982 Regards, Ian Mar
REPLY TO IAN

Thanks Ian for the information about Map References.

I have found a solution to the problem of Niue being put in UK on the Map by adding Cook Islands after Niue... that stops any entry being put on the Map, because the address is unrecognised - "NOT FOUND" & the MAP App no longer tries to put the Niue in UK or put UK on the end.

Tamakautoga Village, Niue Island, Cook Island

That will do! :)

All other attempts resulted in the place being put in UK.

I noted some I tried in an earlier comment on this thread - such as South Pacific, Oceana, Pacific Ocean etc.
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Alan Scott
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Unfortunately Cyclone Gita is about to pass close to Niue. Best of luck and we hope there is little damage.
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Alan Scott
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Unfortunately Cyclone Gita is about to pass close to Niue. Best of luck and we hope there is little damage.
NIUE SPARED
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Alan Scott
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Linda,

I have just read you original message again and I see you have shown the address as follows -

TAMAKAUTOGA VILLAGE,NIUE ISLAND,UK

Having UK at the end may be why the problem occurred. Maybe Ian has already suggested this. I have not read all of his opinions on the subject.

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Alan Scott
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Linda, I have just read you original message again and I see you have shown the address as follows - TAMAKAUTOGA VILLAGE,NIUE ISLAND,UK Having UK at the end may be why the problem occurred. Maybe Ian more ...
has already suggested this. I have not read all of his opinions on the subject
I should have added - "what is the actual address for your relative that you have in your tree". If it ends in UK as is stated in your first message, then you have the reason for your relative being shown as living in the UK.
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Alan Scott
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I should have added - "what is the actual address for your relative that you have in your tree". If it ends in UK as is stated in your first message, then you have the reason for your relative being shown as living in the UK.
Now that all the messages have finally been printed in Forum I see that you have already explained this. Hopefully TP will sort it out for you.
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Linda May Rumble
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Linda, I have just read you original message again and I see you have shown the address as follows - TAMAKAUTOGA VILLAGE,NIUE ISLAND,UK Having UK at the end may be why the problem occurred. Maybe Ian more ...
has already suggested this. I have not read all of his opinions on the subject
REPLY TO ALAN SCOTT...

No Alan - that addition of UK is what the MAP automatically generated in the text beside the Map after it put Niue, by default, into UK.

I had added the place of Birth as:

Tamakautoga Village, Niue Island.

The Map App changed the text to Capitals and added UK on the end... that was the point of my query and the cause of the upset experienced by three of my TP Page Members whose mother and ancestors were all born & died there.

I have found a solution by adding Cook Islands after Niue... that stops any entry being put on the Map, because the address is unrecognised - NOT FOUND & the MAP App no longer tries to put the Niue in UK or put UK on the end.

Tamakautoga Village, Niue Island, Cook Island

All other attempts resulted in the place being put in UK.

I noted some I tried in an earlier comment on this thread - such as South Pacific, Oceana, Pacific Ocean etc.
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